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              Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 1 Num. 28
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                    ("Quid coniuratio est?")


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ASSASSINATION AS A TOOL OF FASCISM
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BRETT MC CABE: I would like to introduce now, a man who is very
well known as an independent investigator and author. He's worked
for 20 years to expose U.S. government involvement in mind
control and murder. John Judge has also investigated the history
of Fascism and political assassination and cover-up from Nazi
Germany to John F. Kennedy to Jonestown, Guyana. He works to
expose U.S. plans for concentration camps and genocide, here and
abroad. He has had articles published in *Critique*, *Utne
Reader*, *Madness Network News*, and *Overthrow*, and has spoken
on these topics on radio, television, and in public forums since
1968. So, without wasting any more time, I introduce to you, John
Judge.

JOHN JUDGE: Thank you. I started this work, really, in a sense,
when I started to visit the Pentagon library. My parents, my
mother and father, and my aunt who I lived with, worked as
civilian employees in the Pentagon, and they used to take me in
when I was a kid. And by the 6th grade, I had a 12th grade
reading level, because I went to this private school, where they
kind of pushed us. So they would drop me off in the library for
the day, and I used to go through the stuff in there, because I
was, you know, 10-11 years old, nobody seemed to care much what I
was looking at. And I found it pretty interesting.

And one of the things I figured out back then, because I was
interested in UFOs, was that they were really government spy
craft, and not extraterrestrial craft from some other place. And
for those of you who wanted them to be extraterrestrial, maybe a
few of them were. But most of them were a Nazi secret weapon that
was developed in the aerospace caves outside of Berlin, and seen
by GIs when they came in, along with the jet engines. And it was
a technology that was kept secret. Like William S. Burroughs
says, "If this was the Middle Ages, and Magellen was an American,
and we sailed around the planet and found out it was round
instead of flat, we wouldn't tell anybody so we could attack from
the rear."

So, I really began the research and the work there. And I like to
research, I like to read. And I would go to these cocktail
parties in my neighborhood around Christmas time, and the guy
across the street sold all the weapons to Howard Hughes, and the
next door neighbor was CIA, and two doors down was NASA, and
those were my neighbors in Falls Church, VA when I grew up, and
they would get a little stewed, and they'd talk about business.

And I thought it was all pretty strange, but I didn't have any
reason to *question* that there was a secret government, because
I *lived* with that secret government. And you get Bill Moyers
now, and he tells you, "Well, there's a legitimate government,
but from time to time, to do a certain job, they hire a rather
unseemly crew, and sometimes they get a little out of control and
make trouble."

I'd suggest it's the other way around: that the *real* government
are the people that are doing the killing, and that they hire the
people in the three piece suits to stand up and make you think
you've got a democracy in front of you. Don't you think that's
what it is?

See, because the real government kills people, and that's part of
how it stays in power. Now, if you go back to the period at the
end of the Weimar Republic, in the late '20s and the early '30s,
before Hitler rose to power, you'll find a pattern of political
assassinations.

It's depicted, interestingly, in Ingmar Bergman's probably least
distributed film, *The Serpent's Egg*. And, the people that begin
to die are the labor leaders, the political activists, the
musicians. The people who might have an effective public voice,
and might stand against the Fascism, begin to die in large
numbers. And the German police admitted that these were political
assassinations. But they said they couldn't solve them. They
couldn't make the historical link to what was happening, or they
could but were paid not to, like many of the investigations that
we have now in this country: They couldn't solve those murders.

They couldn't hook them to the most obvious suspects, which were
the members of the *Freikorps* from World War I: the trained and
paid assassins from that period, who were helping to pave the way
for Hitler, and for the end of the political opposition there.
And there was plenty of it. I mean there was quite a bit of
socialist/communist organizing in that period. Marx's vision of
the world was that the first countries to make the change would
be these industrialized countries, like Germany, and so most of
the people that were continuing the Bolshevik revolution in those
years move foreward with that.

The idea of the political assassinations and their origins really
go back to 1918. Not that no one was killed earlier; I certainly
don't suggest that. But in terms of what we're dealing with in
the current period, most of this is a reaction to that
revolution, to that change of power there in Russia, and in some
of the other countries, in that period of time, in the early
1900s.

And in response to that there were monarchists, there were
industrialists, there were people that owned a tremendous amount
of wealth, both here in the United States and in the
industrialized countries in Europe, who had a vested interest in
reversing that. Just as Reagan seems so focused on changing the
situation in Nicaragua, there were people then who had very
definite reasons not to want that kind of social change (that
would redistribute wealth, or privilege, or power, to the extent
that it did, or was able to) to happen where they were. They
wanted to maintain their privileges.

And they had societies, they had groups that they formed. One of
them was the Solidarists, made up of a link between the emerging
Fascists and the neo-Nazis. Another core of reactionaries existed
within the Vatican and the Roman Catholic Church: Opus Dei, "The
Work of God," was newly emerging on that scale. And then another
group that had been known as the Knights Hospitaliers, that were
the military arm of the Church during the Crusades, who became
the Knights of Malta. And these were lay aristocracies within the
Church. People that still believed that there shouldn't have been
a Counter-Reformation, that thought that the Inquisition should
have continued. People that used flagellation and hair shirts for
prayer. People sort of like the Christian Right {1} that we
talked about earlier today, with a few more excesses, and a lot
more money.

And, it was in the interests of these people to have stories
about visions of the Virgin Mary coming, to Fatima, in the early
1900s and telling them that God was against communism, so that
the Church would be against communism, and take up that struggle.
{2}.

Elements of the state, and elements of the rich, and the
monarchies that still existed, formed a bond of interest. And, in
large part, one of the motivating people who went around and
collected their monies and their energies, in order to reverse
the revolutionary change in Russia, was Herbert Hoover, who spent
actually more time in Europe than he did in the United States. He
was also later responsible for the formation of the ideas that
led to the National Security Council and the National Security
State.

And part of what happened was that the Romanoff treasury, which
was stolen and secreted out of the country, was then turned
around along with money collected by Hoover and these monarchists
and others to finance the rearmament of Germany, secretly, from
1918 to 1932. And it's that rearmament that  then gave them the
impetus to set up the drive to essentially *get back* the Soviet
Union. And only because that drive was defeated at tremendous
human cost -- about 20 million lives in Russia and those
countries, some of the worst killing went on there, and the
civilians also, but tremendous cost -- they were militarily
stopped in 1943.

And, at that point, a different position was taken by some of the
Allied countries. There were divisions within the class as to how
much money should have been expended on these Fascists. There
were others there who supported them, but it was time to regroup.
It was time to back off a little, to try to get what they had
together. The resources were more or less expended in the effort
to set up a permanent war economy, which Charles Wilson from
General Electric talked about. And to go into what they called
the "Cold War," or "low intensity warfare," and genocide against
Third World people, while they continued to build the empire and
maintain the hegemony. And to re-establish the Fourth Reich, the
Fascism, not only here in the United States but throughout the
world. {3}.

                        (to be continued)

[Transcript of a talk given by John Judge at a one-day conference
entitled "The Fourth Reich in America." A transcript of the
entire conference, "The Fourth Reich in America," is available
from Flatland Books, P.O. Box 2420, Fort Bragg, CA 95437.]

--------------------------<< Notes >>----------------------------
{1} If you belong to the "Christian Right," I apologize for the
possible "Christian bashing" in Judge's statement. Overall, his
talk is worthwhile so I am posting it.
{2} Well, the Church is obviously going to be against communism,
because communism declares that religion is the "opiate of the
masses." So Judge may be wrong here about any Fatima fakery.
{3} Given that the western powers at first financed the Nazis, it
seems strange that we went to war against them. A recent issue of
*The Nation* (ca. June 1994) indicated that D-Day and our
subsequent battle against the Nazis on the western front was more
about grabbing territory that the Russians might otherwise get
than it was about fighting Nazism, *per se*.

JOHN JUDGE: [...continues...] And part of that involved moving
those Nazis all over the world. Moving those Fascists. And not
all the Germans were Fascists, and not all the Fascists were
German. There were Japanese Fascists, if you remember. Some of
them seem to be still in control today. There was a kind of
veiled threat, recently, from the Prime Minister of Japan, that
the forces that operated in World War II hadn't forgotten what
the U.S. did to them; and that they were ready to rise back up if
we didn't stop messing around on these trade issues for the
international exchange. So the threat of them, you know, is still
there. We talk a lot about Nuremberg, but much less about the
Japanese war crime trials.

And it's known now, for instance, that when MacArthur's group
went in, they found evidence of the POWs being experimented on
with chemical and biological weapons by the Japanese. That they
let all the scientists that did those war crimes off the hook, in
exchange for the information that they could give them about how
the weapons worked. So that, to them, was a fair trade.

Many of those scientists, many of the munitions and aerospace
experts, many of the spies, (about 300 of them, in fact, under
General Reinhard Gehlen, who had headed up Hitler's intelligence
network for the east and the Soviet Union) were brought, from
1943 up until even more recently in the present day, into the
United States and into other countries around the world, South
Africa included. There's quite a bit of collaboration between the
South African government and World War II Fascists and Nazis.

But the Fascism was an indigenous problem in many, many
countries. It didn't just exist in Nazi Germany. There were
groups of Fascists that the Nazis were able to use in many
countries as collaborationist governments.

And the real hidden history of World War II was, in fact, the
*defeat* in many places of those forces by more progressive
elements. By people who were, out of reasons of patriotism, or
out of a more progressive political philosophy, bound and
determined to take back some freedom. And that's a history that
hasn't had as much play as the standard version of the Allied
powers: these empires getting together to defeat these things,
the actual struggles of the resistance to Fascism in the
different countries and what role that played.

Assassination was always a *tool* for them; not only the mass
death, but the individual death of the people that could make a
difference, of the politicians that might make a change, of the
people that stood in the way. And they perfected those
techniques, and those techniques were brought here and used in
the United States. So that when Mae Brussell did her work with
the Warren Commission, and I spent several years reading the
volumes and going into depth (and I went through about 300 cubic
feet of material in the Archives). We *found* those people in the
Commission Record. In key places. And I'll just talk to you about
a few of them, so you can get a sense of who these people are
that I'm talking about, and how they would play in.

One important one is an American, in fact, an American Fascist by
the name of John J. McCloy. McCloy was a Rockefeller banking
lawyer. I saw Marcel Ophuls who did some of the films on the
Nuremburg situation, *The Sorrow and the Pity*, and *Memory of
Justice*, at a public talk. And someone came up and asked him
about McCloy, "Is he connected to the internationals?" And Ophuls
said, "It would be more accurate to say the internationals are
connected to him."

There was a very good article some years ago in *Harpers* about
him, "Minister without Portfolio," that began to go into his
background, all the way back to the 1920s when he was sent over
to Germany to check about World War I sabotage activities, and
ended up friends with some of Hitler's early cronies, and met
Hitler, and stayed in that area for some time. He was connected
to Sullivan and Cromwell, a Rockefeller banking firm that kept
its German investments going even after the mass deaths of the
Jews started in Germany. They had investments there that they
didn't want to back off from.

And McCloy eventually got into a position in the government where
he was the Under-Secretary of War. Somebody pointed out to me
earlier that 1947-1948 is also when we changed from "Secretary of
War," to "Secretary of Defense." {1}. And just that little word
change is enough propaganda to make clear what's happening.

John J. McCloy, among other things during the period when he was
Under-Secretary of War, was responsible, along with Earl Warren
and a fellow named S. Dillon Reed, for the set-up of the Japanese
concentration camps in the United States and the internment of
Japanese, not German or white peoples, but Japanese people here.
A lot of them lived out here in California, and you may know some
of the history of the different concentration camps that were out
here. People lost their property and their money. McCloy still
speaks openly against any reparations for those people, and
believes it was proper that he had them locked up and treated the
way that they were during the war.

And it's interesting also that he worked on that with Earl
Warren, who later shows up *along with McCloy* on the Warren
Commission, to study the investigation of John Kennedy's death.
He's one of the main members of the seven member Committee that
helped to cover up the death of John F. Kennedy.

John J. McCloy also, in his position in the government, blocked
efforts by the Jewish community here in America to have something
done about the Nazi concentration camps. We knew they were there,
we knew where they were. The Jews wanted the camps bombed, or
they wanted the railroads going to the camps bombed, something,
to stop the progress of the machinery of death in the Jewish
community there. And his response at the time was that it would
lead to "reparations against the Jews." One has to wonder what
*they* could have been. But he refused to go along with those
plans.

And then after the  war, when we came in militarily, we set up a
fellow named General Lucius Clay, who also cut deals with many of
these top Nazi elements. And then Lucius Clay's military
occupation government was replaced by a transitional, but civil,
government of the Allied powers that would then lead eventually
into the earliest postwar German government. And who oversaw that
transition? McCloy, as the High Commissioner of Germany. In that
position he reversed some of the few convictions that happened at
the Nuremberg trials. Only eight war criminals were sentenced to
death for all the destruction that was done in that war. Only
eight. Some were given prison sentences and almost all of those
were out within a few years, in large part because of McCloy's
intervention.

Of course, the trials were also undermined. One of the key people
that undermined evidence and lost witnesses in that trial,
working with the U.S. Army, was later to go on into the
International Cross, International Rescue Division. And that was
one of a number of agencies; the Vatican also had a line for
this, that provided false identification to the Nazi war
criminals to help them move internationally. And that
International Rescue Committee is still dominated by CIA and
right wing elements. But at that time they were providing the
"Glockenspiel," the false identity cards. And then this fellow
who moved into that position came to Texas. He was with a CIA
front, a foundation called M. Anderson, for many, many years. He
was the special liaison between the Texas police investigation
and the Warren Commission investigation of John Kennedy's death.
And in that capacity he blocked any effective local study of the
death, or local news from getting to the Warren Commission.

And there were a number of years when he was with Anderson. We
don't hear of him. And then he reappears as the "most trusted man
in America," according to the press during the Watergate fiasco,
in order to pardon Nixon. His name is Leon Jaworski.

O.K. So these people move throughout the history. So I'm trying
to give you some feel, or some examples, of how these people
move. McCloy pardons all these key Nazis. He pardons Krupp. He
pardons Dorhnberger. And these other top people are off the hook
because of his intervention. And then, not only do they come
here, but he continues to function right up to the current day. I
mean Reagan, at the time he went to Bitburg, had a White House
ceremony for some of them. The German government came and gave
these awards to John J. McCloy for his excellent work there in
the period when we were supposed to be de-Nazifying Germany. And
in fact, we were leading to the Nazification of the world,
including America.

                        (to be continued)

[Transcript of a talk given by John Judge at a one-day conference
entitled "The Fourth Reich in America." A transcript of the
entire conference, "The Fourth Reich in America," is available
from Flatland Books, P.O. Box 2420, Fort Bragg, CA 95437.]

--------------------------<< Notes >>----------------------------
{1} Like we are not going to war with Korea, we are going halfway
around the world to *defend* ourselves from Korea. We never
invade other countries; we are just going there to defend
ourselves from them.


JOHN JUDGE: [...continues...] Another example would be that
scientist I just mentioned, Walter Dorhnberger. He was a General,
and he was responsible, essentially, for helping Werhner von
Braun and the rocket program get whatever it wanted during the
war. He was also responsible for being part of the administration
of the Dora concentration camp, where Jews and other slave labor
were worked to death building, at a tremendous pace, these V1 and
V2 rockets that were being used against the civilian population
in England. And there were heinous examples, besides the level of
the labor and the forced labor, of public hangings and other
types of war criminality there at Dora. And all these people
nowadays either aren't asked... I mean, I think they've got one
sentence in one piece of footage of Werhner von Braun, our
fabulous rocket scientist, *talking* about Dora, saying some
little piece about the conditions in the mines, you know, "...
weren't that bad."

The fact is, that they were there. They were in an administrative
capacity. But because after the war we wanted their expertise, we
brought over a thousand of these scientists and their families.
They were down in Huntsville, Alabama. I don't know if you've
ever been there. The Chamber of Commerce is *named* after Werhner
von Braun. It has big pictures of all these Nazis and their
families with their hands up, taking their oath of American
citizenship. And they're *proud* of the Nazis they brought in. I
guess to get 2 on the moon it's worth 30 million dead, huh?

One of them built the Saturn 5 rocket, and only just recently got
chased out of the country, much to the chagrin of Lyndon LaRouche
and his crew who are fighting to get him back in. That's Walter
Rudolph, who helped to get us to the moon. And without them,
these Nazis, we wouldn't have done it. Of course they say they
weren't "ardent" Nazis, whatever that means. {1}. They weren't
involved in the war crimes. But they *were* there, they *were* in
the position to do something, to speak out. And when asked they
say, "Well if I'd spoken out, I would have been in the camps with
the Jews myself. So what could I have done?"

And Dorhnberger was actually scheduled for indictment. The
British prosecutor, Shawcross, said that he ought to hang. He was
suspected of having worked, not only at Dora, but with the
"Butcher" at Auschwitz, at the Auschwitz concentration camp. And
instead, when Werhner von Braun got here to the United States, he
said that he wouldn't do any work on our rockets unless we saved
his mentor, his old friend, Walter Dorhnberger. So McCloy and
Lucius Clay intervened on his behalf and he was brought directly
to the United States. And first, he got a job in Huntsville, I
think at Mussel Shoals, with NASA for a little bit. And then he
got into a position that he kept for many, many years, where he
headed up the helicopter systems division at Bell Aircraft in the
Dallas/Houston area.

And it was in that position that he hired, during the 1950s and
'60s, a top-ranking military intelligence agent by the name of
Michael Paine. Michael Paine had a wife, Ruth Paine, and the two
of them were very tight with the White Russian Solidarist
community that lived in Dallas, many of these White Russians. And
I say the history of these Nazis dates back to the time of the
[Bolshevik] revolution. They're disaffected. Many of them worked
with the CIA and other spy agencies, and Paine's family had
connections with them. They went to a White Russian Orthodox
church there, in Dallas, that was built with monies from the
Cummins Catherwood Fund from Philadelphia. One of the blue-line
families out in Philadelphia, Cummins Catherwood also funded the
Cuban Aid Relief for the Bay of Pigs survivors, who were
intimately involved in the assassination. And it was at that
church that meetings happened, in the Christmas of the early
'60s, between the Paines and the Oswalds. And it was the Paines
that housed Marina Oswald, out in Irving, Texas. It was the
Paines, along with Marina, who were some of the few people to
testify to the idea that Oswald owned a rifle. It was Ruth Paine
that got Oswald the job at the Book Depository, in October, and
placed him, in part, as the patsy there. It was her friend, Roy
Truly, who lied to the police, and said that they had taken a
roll call and that Oswald was the only one missing from the
building at the time they came in to find the so-called assassin.
Even though everybody else looked in a different direction to
where the noise had come from, up on the Grassy Knoll, the police
ran to where they were supposed to, to the School Book
Depository.

So when you scratch the surface of how they set it up, who told
the lies, who engineered the "patsying" of Oswald, you find these
people with the connections to the International Fascists.

Werhner von Braun, knowing that the Russians, the Soviet troops,
were going to come into Berlin, packed up shop at Dora, where he
was building the rockets. He moved into Switzerland, leaving a
trail for U.S. Intelligence, that had contacted him and other
scientists months before in something called Operation Overcast.
When he got up into that area, General Thurston, who was in
charge of the military takeover for that sector, followed through
with the arrangements to have him and several other scientists
arrested and brought to the United States.

The person who actually effected the arrests, the physical
arrests, of Werhner von Braun and the rocket scientists, the
Paper Clip boys (they called it Project Paper Clip, to bring
these people in) was the aide-de-camp to Thurston, a fellow named
Clay Shaw.

Years later, Jim Garrison attempted to indict Clay Shaw for his
involvement in the assassination of John F. Kennedy. And Clay
Shaw, among other things, was on the board of directors of a firm
called Permindex, which had offices at that time out of Canada.
Where they were doing training, along with British Intelligence,
of assassins all during World War II. It was work that involved,
among other people, Ian Fleming. And in fact, Ian Fleming's
character, James Bond, is a real person that lives in
Philadelphia and is very close to the Cummins Catherwood family.

So whenever I began to look, I found these little nests of
snakes. They intertwine, you know, they lock together, and their
histories coincide. They send each other books and messages. They
know each other. They get each other jobs.

Another person with connections to the Nazis, who was very
instrumental in the assassination, is George DeMohrenschildt. He
came from a reactionary family in Russia. His father was a top
level employee of the Nobel oil family, which was like the
Rockefellers here, prior to the [Bolshevik] revolution. They lost
their fortune there. His brother, Von DeMohrenschildt, was jailed
by the revolution for a period. When they got loose, they went to
Germany. They helped the Fascists set up. Von went into the CIA-
funded Tolstoy Foundation, which was a center for the White
Russians during the whole period. And George DeMohrenschildt was
an oil engineer. Among other places that he worked, and was close
to, was Kerr-McGee (he was tight with Mr. Kerr), where Karen
Silkwood was later killed by the Industrial Security Command
guards. That Defense Industrial Security Command was running
Mussel Shoals and Huntsville, Alabama, when the Nazis arrived.

You see, it just goes over and over, back and forth. You can find
the connections if you start with the evidence. If you look to
see who are these people, who do they know, how are they funded?
And I saw it not only there, but throughout the other
assassinations. Who were the top lieutenants in Jonestown? All
were tied in with the Nazi money, with the International Fascism,
the training, or the movements of the Nazis themselves.

I wanted you to see this before I quit. This is a documentary
film made by a fellow named Bob Groden. He worked at *Life*
magazine, in the photo department, when this film came from
Dallas. This supposedly "homemade" film was made by a fellow
named Abraham Zapruder, who was a bystander that "happened" to be
standing near the Grassy Knoll filming the motorcade go by. And
he caught, on this little piece of film, supposedly just by
accident, the assassination of John F. Kennedy. Well the reason
I'm making all these secondary comments is that we found out when
Abraham Zapruder died that he's a White Russian. That he was from
that same section there in Minsk, where George DeMohrenschildt
and Marina's family came from. Marina's uncle was a high-ranking
military officer in the NKVD, but her family was White Russian
and anti-communist. And Gehlen infiltrated a lot of the KGB and
Soviet military and intelligence structures during the war, and
left agents in place. And you know, there's reason to believe
that a number of people that were involved with Oswald, even in
the Soviet Union, also tie to this International Fascism; *and
not* to the idea that Oswald was some kind of a KGB agent. He was
a *Naval Intelligence* operative. He had crypto clearance. He
travelled around with the U-2. And he was a U.S. spy. He was sent
to defect falsely to the Soviet Union.

                        (to be continued)

[Transcript of a talk given by John Judge at a one-day conference
entitled "The Fourth Reich in America." A transcript of the
entire conference, "The Fourth Reich in America," is available
from Flatland Books, P.O. Box 2420, Fort Bragg, CA 95437.]

--------------------------<< Notes >>----------------------------
{1} "...they weren't 'ardent' Nazis, whatever that means." In
other words, they were "just following orders."


(...continued...)

JOHN JUDGE: [...continues...] He [Oswald] got out of the Marines
(you try this) because a box fell on his mother's nose nine
months before. And the letter documenting her "nasopharyngitis"
(which means it was swollen) condition arrived 4 days *after* the
discharge. But the number from the discharge sheet appeared a
month *before*, on his passport out of the country, you see. So
he was set to go.

And he was sent by the military, because there were no civilian
flights when he went from Helsinki into the area. Nothing but a
military flight could have explained his passage.

Also, when he was ready to come home, he'd met Marina four times
in his life, and he married her the fourth time he met her. And
then he took her out of the country. But of course they could get
her to lie. Because she still didn't have her citizenship in '63,
they could have sent her right back.

And so what they had her do was say that she didn't speak
English, and she spoke Russian. And they brought in George Bouhe
and Raigorodsky and these other CIA translators. And in case the
translator didn't translate the Russian just right, all the
people stenotyping at that point, taking minutes, were on
maternity leave from the CIA.

And then, of course, all the lawyers asking the questions were
chosen in a meeting, the minutes of which are still buried in the
National Archives as "National Security" matter until 2039. But
I'm sure they weren't chosen just because they were under A's or
B's in the phone book.

It's like when James McCord, a 21 year top man, operative with
the CIA, gets caught at Watergate because he puts a second piece
of tape on the door (that's what he calls his book, *A Second
Piece of Tape*). Well, you know, if you go down and find that
somebody's removed the tape, you've got to cheese the operation
and get out of the building. He puts another piece of tape on,
and when Wills comes around on the second round, he *has* to
report it. So McCord's in there to make sure they get arrested.
His guy Baldwin, across the street, doesn't warn anybody. But
when McCord needs a lawyer for Watergate, he goes out and he gets
this guy Bernard Fensterwald, who heads up something called the
Committee to Investigate Assassinations. Which he uses the
mnemonic, the CTIA. I wrote him a letter and said, "You know, in
mnemonics, pronouns don't get a letter. It's really CIA, isn't it
Bud?"

And then it comes out in the Watergate hearing that McCord was
donating money to the CTIA. You know, he's a "conspiracy nut"
too, I guess. Or else *maybe* the CIA was paying Fensterwald to
find out what everybody knows. Sherman Skolnick challenged him,
in 1972, at a meeting. He said, "You know, when a CIA guy gets
sick, he goes to a CIA doctor. When he needs money, he goes to
the CIA bank. When he needs a lawyer, he goes to Edward Bennett
Williams, doesn't he?"

After that, Fensterwald was the lawyer for Paisley's wife, the
guy who drowned in the drink, in the Potomac, and was part of the
Nysenko briefing; a CIA agent. Although *they* say he committed
suicide, he put diving weights on (if this is true), shot himself
in the head, threw the gun overboard, and then leapt to his
death. Skolnick says he drowned, 'cause all the water rushed in
the hole in his head.

I was looking for an article this morning, about a suicide that
was actually reported in the press from Baltimore: Where a guy
committed suicide, get this, by hitting himself 38 times in the
head with a hammer. And the police were there, demonstrating to
the press how he might have done it. Thirty-eight times, what a
headache.

My best one came over the news about a year ago. They said the
police had determined suicide in a case where the body parts were
wrapped in a bag. And the bag was tied from the outside. I mean,
Houdini's got nothing on this guy.

So when you look at the pathology, which is what I do, and the
nuts and bolts; the bullets, and what direction do they go, and
where do they come from, and who shot them -- just the police
work -- that's all you have to do. That's all you have to get. I
mean, they hide it from you a little bit, but you can piece it
together. Then you know, that it *didn't* happen the way they
told you.

I mean, when you go into the evidence of the John F. Kennedy
assassination, you'll find that Oswald didn't own a rifle; he
didn't own a pistol. He didn't fire a gun that day. There were no
nitrate samples on the cheeks or on his palms. He didn't shoot a
gun. He didn't kill anybody.

Then you go to the witness testimony and the photographic
evidence. And you find out he wasn't on the sixth floor and
couldn't have gotten down the stairwell to the first or second
floor to be buying a coke, when the cop stuck a gun in his
stomach in the first round of interchange a few minutes after the
shooting. Seven people saw him watching the motorcade go by, on
the first floor, as Kennedy was being shot. And we have a photo,
James Altgen's photo, of him standing in the doorway. Of course,
the Warren Commission said it was somebody else. But all you have
to do is compare that guy's description of his shirt to the shirt
that Oswald has on there, and the one he's got on when he's
arrested. It's Oswald. You can tell. I'm not a photo expert, but
you can see his face, hairline, and everything else is the same.
He was what he said he was: a patsy.

And then, even if you say he's up there, and shooting with this
Mannlicher-Carcano, the bullets can't do the damage. And it's the
*same thing* every time I look at it.

The Robert Kennedy case is the same. I noticed that they even use
the same language when they testify. There's this phrase they
use. They say, "The bullet is consistent with having been fired
from the weapon." Now that's not a ballistic term. You know,
ballistics can tell you pretty much, as long as they've got the
bullet relatively intact, whether it came from that specific gun.
Because of the scratches on it, the rifling, and what type of
bullet it is. All that "consistent with having been fired from
the weapon" means is that the bullet is not too big to get
through the barrel. The caliber is either equal to, or smaller
than, the gun caliber of the barrel. It won't get stuck.

And the way I finally realized that that didn't mean anything was
in an affidavit in the Sacco and Vanzetti trial. Where the
sheriff testified "Yes" when they asked him was the bullet in the
guard at Braintree *consistent* with Sacco's gun. And he said
that it was. And then he filed an affidavit later, saying that he
didn't want to be misunderstood; that he was instructed by the
judge to answer just "yes" or "no" and that all he meant was that
the bullet would get through the barrel. But that same phrase is
in the Robert Kennedy trial transcript, it's in the Warren
Commission ballistic evidence.

Just to take one more example: When Reinhard Gehlen came here,
many of his 300 operatives were funnelled through a section of
the Defense Department known as the Army Historical Division.
Because they, especially George Patton, were busy hiring Nazis to
help them write the official history of World War II. {1}. So
both Nazi war criminals and Nazi *historians* were channeled in
through this, and then fed into the beginnings of the CIA, which
was formed by Gehlen and his organization. And into Radio Free
America {2} and Radio Free Europe. The engines of the National
Security State and the Cold War logic were a lie.

When the Warren Commission investigators had finished their work
and they went to write the Report, they didn't take any of the
attorneys or any of the people that they had, essentially,
already bought off to do a phoney investigation. They wanted to
make *sure* there was nothing in that Report that would go wrong.
And when I went into the Archives, about 300 cubic feet of the
minutes from the meetings were notes, voluminous notes, from
those 5 different staff investigative teams to the Warren
Commission, in relation to the final report which they had read.
And the notes say, "What's the basis for this conclusion? What's
the evidence for this?" Line after line. Even the liars couldn't
go as far as the author of the Warren Commission Report had gone.
But the report went out intact. Hale Boggs asked in one of the
meetings whether they should print any of the evidence.

"I guess you know," Boggs said, "It might look a little fishy if
we didn't."

"Go ahead and print it," Dulles said. "Nobody will read it
anyway."

And Boggs said, "A few of those people out there know how to
read."

I doubt he meant me, but here I am.

And when you do read it, you can find it out. But the person that
actually wrote the report is a fellow named *Otto Winnacker*. He
was on TDY, transfer from the Pentagon to the Warren Commission,
to do that job. He was also, historically, one of 26 official
historians of the Reich who worked directly under the
Reichschancellor, Adolph Hitler, and was brought here into the
United States.

                        (to be continued)

[Transcript of a talk given by John Judge at a one-day conference
entitled "The Fourth Reich in America." A transcript of the
entire conference, "The Fourth Reich in America," is available
from Flatland Books, P.O. Box 2420, Fort Bragg, CA 95437.]

--------------------------<< Notes >>----------------------------
{1} Proof that, indeed, "History is written by the assassins."
{2} Not to be confused with the radio show hosted by Tom
Valentine, nor with the radio show featuring Dave Emory.


(...continued...)

JOHN JUDGE: [...continues...] When Gehlen finished setting up the
CIA here, he went back to Germany and helped set up the postwar
German, NATO, and French Intelligence structures that rule the
reactionary politics in those countries and in Europe today, and
that command our constant military presence there. Forty years
after the war's supposed to be over.

He was replaced in large part, at that point, by Otto von
Bolshwing. Otto Albrecht von Bolshwing, who had been Adolph
Eichmann's superior at the Hebrew desk for the movement of the
Jews and the Final Solution and the killing and the planning. But
he was never tried in Nazi Germany. He was just allowed to slip
through the cracks, like many of them, and ended up here, in the
United States. He helped form a corporation called TCI, with
Edwin Wilson, Helena von Damm, and with other people connected to
the intelligence agencies, as one of many front companies out
here in California. When it went bankrupt, it sold its largest
subsidiary to Albert Hakim and Richard Secord. And that
subsidiary became Stanford Technology Trading Group, and Trading
Group International. These were their fronts, during that time.

And the financing, if you remember, of [Oliver] North's
operation, was through Credit Suisse. Well Credit Suisse was set
up as a bank, in the 1940s, as the funnel and conduit for
Permindex. It was the banking firm to take care of Permindex's
international operations.

And just recently, when I was reading *Tennessee Waltz* by James
Earl Ray {1}, where he names the person in Canada that introduced
him to the mysterious character Raoul {2}, who set him up as the
patsy. He says that that's a person named David Gravier. Well
David Gravier is an international financier, connected to
American Banking and Trust, which itself is a major subsidiary of
guess who? Credit Suisse. Where did he [Ray] meet him [Raoul]? In
Canada, where Permindex was located. See, so you'll find the
connections going back to certain firms, certain cover.

The current world cover for the training of these assassins, I
believe, is an evangelical right-wing organization known as World
Vision. Among its employees at the Fort Chaffee Refugee Camp it
was running for Laotian, Thai, and Vietnamese refugees was a
young man named Mark David Chapman -- responsible for the death
of a very political musician who could have brought a million
people out in response to Reagan's war efforts in a single day,
named John Lennon.

Mark David Chapman had military training. He was in Beirut,
interestingly enough, when military training was going on there
by Wilson and Terpil. And he moved to Hawaii, worked for the
large military firms. You'll remember he took a military stance
at the time. The chairman of the board in those days of World
Vision was none other than John Hinckley, Sr. The funding for
World Vision was, primarily, during the Vietnam period, CIA
directly funding it. They now still admit 5% coming through
USAID, which was the cover. And they operated in all of Southeast
Asia, collecting information on Laotians, Cambodians and others
under the cover of this missionary work. They were in charge of
the refugee camps at Sabra and Shatilla when the Fascist Phalange
came in and killed the Palestinians. They are in charge of the
refugee camps, along the Honduran border, for the Central
Americans, where the Contras are allowed to go in and actively
recruit. They run the physical operation in the camps for the
Cuban and Haitian refugees here in the United States. And it was
at those camps, you remember, there were riots. Well part of what
started that riots was that they brought into those camps a
political education program that if you didn't attend, you didn't
eat. And the people that ran that program for the Cubans were
none other than Alpha-66 and Omega-7, the Cuban reactionaries
left over from the Bay of Pigs invasion.

And, these international refugee communities they started in the
'50s (I went back to their earliest populations) were really just
attempts to manipulate people that were in Communist countries
who were reactionary and were running from the situations or the
changes in those countries. Refugee populations are expendable;
they're manipulable. Part of the history of Jonestown is the
history of refugees, 'cause a lot of the reason they went to
Matthew's Ridge is that they wanted cheap labor there.

But I found the same names cropping up, the same *modus
operandi*, the same monies, (and I've only named a few of them),
throughout not only the major assassinations (the Kennedys,
Martin Luther King, the Chappaquidik incident, where Ted Kennedy
was set up and Mary Jo [Kopechne(?)] was killed, the murder of
Jessica Savitch, a number of these situations I've worked on),
but also many of the witnesses that died (75 strange witness
deaths in John Kennedy case, 80 each, or around that, each, in
both Martin Luther King and the Robert Kennedy, another 35-40
strange deaths connected with Watergate, the Second House Select
Committee on Assassinations) {3}. And a lot of the people that we
knew were involved in the original research started to drop dead.
There's people dropping dead now, during the Contragate
investigation. It's a constant pattern: the witnesses are wiped
out.

And when you go into the specifics: who did they know, or where
they were, who was around them, or who helped set them up, you
will find, I believe, (if you do the work, and I encourage you to
do it on the things that you're interested in) people that have
connections to *Navy Intelligence*. That's the central place
where these people operated from, on the command level. You'll
find people otherwise involved in the U.S. Intelligence agencies.
And you'll find people either with direct ties to Nazi Germany or
with connections to *current* Fascist International networks that
grew out of that period.

But those Nazis came here. They formed our foreign policy.
There's a couple of new books out. If you haven't had a chance to
see them, you should get them. This is by Bower, from a British
publisher. It's called *The Paperclip Conspiracy*, and it's about
the hunt for the Nazi scientists. There's an earlier book by
Clarance Lasby, *Project Paperclip* that's very good, but these
are recent ones, with some new information.

And this very good book by Chris Simpson. All these still miss
pieces, or perspective, but this is called *Blowback*, which is
an Intelligence term for negative effects from a covert
operation; America's recruitment of Nazis and its effects on the
Cold War.

All these things are available. It's not impossible to get this
information. I think you need to focus a little bit.

What I'm suggesting is that there's this history of the Fascism
moving; that assassination has been its long-term technique for
certain political purposes; and that it's time you took a look
around you. Because they are killing us. They're not killing all
of us. But they're killing people not just at the top government
levels, but all the way down to the activists and the people who
are going to try to make a difference.

Which is *not* to me, again, an argument not to try to make a
difference. Because they can't kill us all. Or if we don't do
anything, they *will* kill us all. So you see, it's one or the
other. But to me, there's really no choice.

If you stumble across Auschwitz in the 1940s, you're either going
to go home, and be a "good German" and use the soap, or you're
going to speak up. You see, you're going to speak up and you're
going to have the horrible fate that Walter Rudolph didn't want.
You're going to become one of the excess population; one of the
*untermenschen*, one of the expendables.

But I'd suggest that, given the reality of the economy, that most
of you here in the audience are that already. My obeisance to the
FBI and CIA agents here; you probably have a good paycheck still.
But I would think that most of you are not in such a secure
position. And this economy is not so long for the world, in terms
of taking care of everybody. If you haven't looked around you on
the street lately, there's a depression out there, and that's
what a depression looks like.

                        (to be continued)

[Transcript of a talk given by John Judge at a one-day conference
entitled "The Fourth Reich in America." A transcript of the
entire conference, "The Fourth Reich in America," is available
from Flatland Books, P.O. Box 2420, Fort Bragg, CA 95437.]

--------------------------<< Notes >>----------------------------
{1} James Earl Ray was found guilty of the assassination of
Martin Luther King, jr. There are many who doubt that Ray was, in
fact, the assassin.
{2} James Earl Ray claimed to have received instructions for many
of his actions from a shadowy figure known only to him as
"Raoul."
{3} Also worth noting at this juncture, the Clinton Body Count;
i.e., "suicides" and violent deaths of persons connected to Bill
Clinton.


(...continued...)

JOHN JUDGE: [...continues...] It's interesting too that a lot of
those homeless people are Vietnam veterans. About 70% of the
homeless on the East coast, in fact, are veterans. Which is an
aspect that's been ignored, besides the suicides, tremendous
unemployment rates and long-term problems, because these wars
*are* genocidal wars. They have a little different technology,
they drop the oven out of the air instead of picking the body up
and putting it in the oven, but it's still genocide.

If the little countries of the world, where we are pushing
ourselves around, could get into a court and tell what we've been
doing there, it would not look so different from the Nuremberg
trials; in fact, I suggest to you that it's worse.

My friends say to me, "If it's Nazi Germany, who are the Jews?"
{1}. Well the Jews are the Central Americans. Some of the *Jews*
are still the Jews if they don't have enough money and prestige
and aren't being used for the current time in the reactionary
processes. Women. {2}. The disenfranchised. The first people that
Lori [a previous speaker] mentioned that were killed: the
psychiatric inmates are certainly an expendable population. The
institutionalized people: the elderly, children in institutions,
prisoners, and people in the military. The veterans are guinea
pigs; after they get out of all that military stuff they're just
used by the system further.

So there are people dying every day. And if you don't add up the
deaths, you don't get the right total, you don't get the sense of
what's happening.

And then they say to me, "Yeah, but we don't live in terror. We
live good." Well if you were a good German and you went along
with the program and you looked the other way when they came and
got the neighbors {3}, you lived good too. They were looting the
whole world like we are. We're 6 percent of the population,
consuming 60 percent of its energy, 30 percent of its raw
materials coming right here, into this society. All this wealth
doesn't come from out of some magic well in Kansas marked
"Capitalism." It comes from tentacles of exploitation of labor
and resources all over the world. And because we exploit those
societies, they're in worse shape and we're in better shape.

There's enough to go around. There's no shortage. There's
surplus, in fact, if it weren't being used for war; and weren't
being diverted into cash crops instead of growing food, everyone
could eat, everyone could live comfortably. In fact, probably on
a third of the budget they spend on warfare in the world. There
is a surplus; the surplus has to be manipulated in order to
*disappear*.

But there are populations, Rand Corporation studied them. In '68
they did a study saying that half of the world population, over
two billion people, *had to go*, in order to make it economically
*comfortable* for the elites. They studied setting up martial law
in many countries where it came to pass: the Philippines, Yemen
and South Korea, Vietnam, Canada even, and eventually the United
States.

How do you set up martial law here? You do it with a terrorist
scenario. {4}. I'd suggest a *nuclear* terrorist scenario. You
have Abu Nidal, who's really Oliver North in drag. They say *I'm*
paranoid. I don't have an eight foot security fence around *my*
house. And he's working internationally with the people that
financed Nidal. It's not *mano a mano* it's *have him over for
dinner*. That fence is up for us, in case we figure out who Ollie
North really is and what he did to us.

You have this so-called "terrorist," you know, the guy with the
pop gun that terrorizes you. The nuclear weapons don't terrorize
you, the state control doesn't terrorize you, the massive death
and genocide that goes on in your name doesn't terrorize you. You
don't know who the enemy is, and so you're afraid of a guy on an
airplane with a pistol. But that's a terrorist, and you're
shaking in your boots, and now *they* are going to be said to
have a nuclear weapon. So, "Oh well, what can we do? We have to
suspend civil liberties. We have to put people in camps. We have
to do *whatever* is necessary in order to stop this 'threat'."

So you come up with a scenario that's good enough, and then you
move. And they have the plans, they know how to move, they have
it down to the neighborhood level. *If you buy the lie*; if you
don't identify who's oppressing whom and who the enemy really is.
Believe me, you are *not* in danger of Abu Nidal, or the PLO, or
whoever the Terrorist of the Month is supposed to be. Your life
is not hanging on a hinge. Yeah, maybe if you travel
internationally all the time you'll be on the wrong plane at the
wrong moment. But I doubt most of you are jet setters.

The threat comes from someplace else. And even the people who
take over the plane, in my experience, have ties to these same
military intelligence networks.

But they *kill* people. And at the same time it *is* possible to
expose how they do it; and to break the cycle of the lies; and to
catch up with it; and to understand who's assassinating whom, and
how. Because the techniques work and they use them over. They're
not that hard to figure out, once you understand the personnel
and the pattern.

 + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +

[Transcript of a talk given by John Judge at a one-day conference
entitled "The Fourth Reich in America." A transcript of the
entire conference, "The Fourth Reich in America," is available
from Flatland Books, P.O. Box 2420, Fort Bragg, CA 95437.]

--------------------------<< Notes >>----------------------------
{1} "If it's Nazi Germany, who are the Jews?" One obvious answer
that Judge omits would have to be the blacks. This is backed up
by statistics such as blacks on death row, black unemployment,
blacks in prison. Note that I am not saying that we should
therefore implement quotas or whatever. I don't know what the
solution is to America's traditional scapegoating of blacks.
{2} "If it's Nazi Germany, who are the Jews? .... Women." Yes and
no. The other side of the coin would be the FemiNazis. Who are
the FemiNazis? According to Texe Marrs, "They are unlike anything
the world has ever experienced. They're ruthless, shrewd and
calculating -- and they've got a stranglehold on the White
House.... [The FemiNazis,] the coven of brutally correct women
who now rule over us."
{3} "...when they came and got the neighbors." Like in Waco, for
instance.
{4} "How do you set up martial law here?" Another scenario would
be the collapse of the dollar, stocks plunge, economic disaster,
and here comes FEMA and the U.N. "peacekeepers."


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